Over the past few years, as I have gradually stepped into my call and vocation as pastor, I have come to greatly appreciate the wisdom and insight of Eugene Peterson. He is a man who clearly embodies the best of what it means to be a pastor. He clearly has a heart for God, Scripture, and people, and has brilliantly connected all three throughout his lifetime of ministry. And now as Peterson has entered the final season of his life, he has seemingly embraced his ability and opportunity to be a mentor to the next generation of pastors.
He recently did an interview with
Jonathan Merritt for
Religion News Service that is well worth your time. Here is the money quote from the interview:
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what advice
you would give to young seminary students today. If you were asked by one to
describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring and shepherding, what
would you say?
EP:
I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a very
taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I think I
would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is. As a pastor,
you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And live with them where
they are. And not impose your will on them. Because God has different ways of
being with people, and you don’t always know what they are.
The
one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’ restlessness and
dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get the right system, the
right programs, the right place, the right location, the right demographics,
it’ll be a snap. And for some people it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have
a big smile, if you are an extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the
easiest crowd to gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of
that. But for most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is
difficult in many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part,
and the whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the Christian
gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t know that. And pastors
don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a whole culture that is
programmed to please people, telling them what they want. And if you do
that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a
pastor.
You'll find the rest of the interview
HERE. I highly recommend the entire interview.
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a
big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a
big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf
JM:
With your experience in both the church and the academy, I wonder what
advice you would give to young seminary students today. If you were
asked by one to describe what is at the heart of the work of pastoring
and shepherding, what would you say?
EP: I’d tell them that pastoring is not a very glamorous job. It’s a
very taking-out-the-laundry and changing-the-diapers kind of job. And I
think I would try to disabuse them of any romantic ideas of what it is.
As a pastor, you’ve got to be willing to take people as they are. And
live with them where they are. And not impose your will on them. Because
God has different ways of being with people, and you don’t always know
what they are.
The one thing I think is at the root of a lot of pastors’
restlessness and dissatisfaction is impatience. They think if they get
the right system, the right programs, the right place, the right
location, the right demographics, it’ll be a snap. And for some people
it is: if you’re a good actor, if you have a big smile, if you are an
extrovert. In some ways, a religious crowd is the easiest crowd to
gather in the world. Our country’s full of examples of that. But for
most, pastoring is a very ordinary way to live. And it is difficult in
many ways because your time is not your own, for the most part, and the
whole culture is against you. This consumer culture, people grow up
determining what they want to do by what they can consume. And the
Christian gospel is just quite the opposite of that. And people don’t
know that. And pastors don’t know that when they start out. We’ve got a
whole culture that is programmed to please people, telling them what
they want. And if you do that, you might end up with a big church, but you won’t be a pastor.
- See more at:
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/09/27/faithful-end-interview-eugene-peterson/#sthash.hiiE4oL3.DJNAm4Oo.dpuf